started. I was waiting for the countdown, I wasn't on there. So today I am joined with the lovely Philippa and today we're going to be talking about her book which is all to do with body burnout which is a contributing factor when a relationship starts to break down because a lot of people don't look after themselves and then it hits a point where they're so exhausted and they're done that you know um that could affect a relationship and how they parent if they have kids. So Philippa is absolutely amazing. So Philly, do you just want to maybe let everybody, well, introduce yourself and let everybody know what you do. Yeah, awesome. Thank you, Stacey. I'm excited to be here. So I'm Philly Billet or Philippa Billet, and I'm co-founder of the award-winning holistic health practice, Chris and Philly Functional Medicine. So I run that with my husband, which is a test to our relationship. And we're best known for ending body burnout in busy people with energy, mood, and gut issues. So that would be a large portion probably of a lot of people, the whole world. Yes. So completely relevant. I love the holistic approach to that as well. It's not the typical kind of go to a doctor and, you know, get some pills or something to fix that. So absolutely love that side of it. Now you do have a book called Ending Body Burnout, which has been out for a little while now. Do you have it there? Yes. hey there it is yes actually I was just looking on amazon because I'm like I think it's almost a one-year birthday and it was it was published on the seventeenth of november so it's almost one that's not quick I know so quick wow there it goes nearly first birthday for um ending body burnout so can you let us know what inspired you to write that book yeah cool so I've been in practice um I'm a functional medicine practitioner, clinical nutritionist, later became transformational coach and trauma therapist as well. So. Chris, my husband and I have been in the health industry for a combined almost thirty years now. So before I became an accredited practitioner, In the past, he had a fitness business and I was kind of like the go to nutrition girl just because of my own health issues that I was struggling with. And so I entered into. what we now do in our business, because I was essentially first and foremost, trying to heal myself. I didn't actually have any grand vision that I was gonna become a practitioner and like end body burnout, but it was just organically came along through my own health and healing journey. So the book essentially is a combination of my own personal experience plus all the years in clinical practice, working with thousands of people and unlocking the deepest root cause of why someone ends up in body burnout in the first place. Yeah. And you obviously, that's what you saw, right? So a lot of people that were coming to you saw that trend that it was something that was just needed and you knew that there were people out there that could benefit from your knowledge and from your experience and the stories that you have with your clients. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. um so who would be who would be that's not good english um who is the book for did you have anybody in mind when you were writing the book like males females um mom stay at home like you know was there anybody specifically in mind that you had um when you wrote the book yeah so it was specifically written at for busy women with energy, mood and gut issues and kind of in the midlife period, thirty five to maybe sixty years old. Again, the reason for that was because there's a lot of my journey and story inside of the book as well. And that's kind of like where I was. we do also work with men and I've had many males purchase the book or you know we've given it to male clients and there's everyone can take something from it except for maybe you just want to skip the part about vaginal health I felt like it was menopause in there too that might not oh yeah they might better support their partner so you know it could still be relevant yep And with the midlife as well for women is that we are entering the age of perimenopause as well, which can start as early as late thirties and it can last for twelve years. And so that's where as hormones just naturally drop as they should, it can actually show up a bunch of imbalances in the body that might not have been noticeable before that. So people, so women can get a lot more physical or mental health issues during the perimenopausal time. And it's not necessarily the sex hormones. It's just that as the hormones drop, it can exacerbate or show up other things. And also a lot of what we do and what I write about in the book, is looking at underlying patterns of burnout as well. So this is for people, people who get stuck in burnout are often running type A, perfectionism, overdoing, overachieving, busy, busy, busy, go, go, go, go, go, do, do, do, do, do. Or they might be people pleasing, rescuing type patterns. And And those patterns can serve a purpose for a while when you're younger and you can like go, go, go. But at some point, kind of like around the mid-thirty mark, the body just says, no, it's like this. This is not how we were designed to perform in life. We need to rest and recover and we need to have like life giving energy, not force or fear based energy. And so again, kind of like around this age is when the body really speaks and it's like, we're done. We can't do this way of living anymore. yeah and it's really hard though because you do have an expectation and I especially like me as a mum with two girls um the expectation is to say that you have to do everything and like it's a societal thing and if you you know you take that break then you're selfish or if you you know you have to go on a weekend retreat to try and heal yourself or you know to try and come out of that breakdown you're selfish like it's really hard to um get the courage I suppose could be the word to address this sort of stuff like it's not embarrassing it's very common it's you know you're not the only one that's done it and it's sad that people just keep going and yet their body says no but they keep pushing pushing and pushing um and then I used to be the same so I used to keep pushing and then I used to get sick and I used to like fall on my butt like I would be out for like a week or two And then I'm like, yep, okay, pushed it too far. But I kept on doing it. And now I'm like, ooh, yeah, my body's saying ease up, Stacey. So I might push it a little bit more than once, you know, but I'm like, yep, I need to stop. Otherwise, my body will tell me to stop. You don't want to get to that stage. um now there's four parts of the book so you talk about the body systems heal the mind heal the body and heal the environment which I absolutely love so you can give us a rundown um as to each part so the body systems what component um does that play in the book yeah cool so so in our practice we work with people with health issues, energy, mood, gut issues. Often it can show up like in a burnout picture can often show up also as inflammatory or autoimmune type conditions as well. Again, where the body's just like, all right, we've been trying to get this person's attention through small subtle signs they're not listening so like bang we have to give you some pretty intense symptoms where like as you said before flat on the flat on the butt or like in bed or I can't exercise anymore or my sleep is kind of rubbish So so I'll get into the body systems in a second, but I thought I'd just paint the picture around common symptoms that show up when someone is in what we coined body burnout. And that's a bit different than, say, the way that we talk about it in the workplace, just the standard burnout where it's like, oh, I've been doing too much and now I've lost motivation and like I'm I'm not as sharp as what I used to be and I'm quite tired and I've kind of hit a wall. It's like body burnout is the one step further past that where now the issues have actually become chronic. Now, when someone has a good night's sleep or they go away for a holiday for two weeks, they come back and they still feel crap. It's kind of like those little lifestyle hacks aren't solving the issue anymore. You need a holiday from the holiday. What was that? You need a holiday to recover from a holiday. Especially if you take children with you, then it actually ends up not being much of a holiday. So symptoms that show up would be things like fatigue, brain fog, sleep issues, anxiety, depression, or something in between, mood imbalances, not responding to stresses like you used to. Gut issues are really common too, because body burnout is also a state of fight or flight. Your body gets stuck in a sympathetic fight flight state. And when you're in that state, you can't rest or digest. So people do start showing up with often like bloating or heartburn or food sensitivities or chemical sensitivities and constipation, diarrhea. And then you can have other systemic symptoms as well, like hormone imbalances, skin issues, autoimmune type conditions. And it's really hard. You'd think that's a normal part of growing up though, like getting older. Like I know for me it's like, oh, since I've had kids, I'm this. So, yeah, since I now have my own business, it's this. Some people I know I did is like, yeah, I'm just at that age where I have to complain about everything. But it's not. Like most of it. It's not. I always have a little joke inside my head that I feel the best I have ever felt. since I was a little kid because I started having health issues as a teenager yeah um and so yeah I don't I don't subscribe to the narrative that we get worse as we get older yeah I mean at some point we're going to die and our body degenerates um but we can look after it before we get no great yeah but like it is though like or even if you go to a doctor it's like oh yeah it's just because you have kids yeah it's just yes it's just what's in your head I'm like okay well I just have to put up with it because it is what it is it's not until you kind of maybe research into other options like oh okay well no this isn't normal I shouldn't be feeling this or I shouldn't be you know having these symptoms whether it's like rash and then mine used to be a rash all of a sudden like where did that come from and that was part of what you said it was my body just going you know if you don't take this rash seriously and slow down I'm gonna go to that next level and kind of really knock you on your butt. So definitely agree with all those of what you just said. So the mind. So the mind is obviously very important. Can you explain the heal the mind component in the book? Yeah. Okay. The mind I feel is what we call the root root cause of body burnout. So you can't have symptoms without there being some sort of body system imbalance and that's the body systems. What actually is causing the symptoms from a physical point of view is your gut out, your adrenals, sex hormones out, detox pathways not clearing toxins very well and you can lab test and actually get data that goes beyond what GP tests look for. And then if I had a client in front of me and I have all their lab tests and it's like, okay, great. Now we can actually start supporting these markers in your body that are out of whack. Now, if you stop there and just give the person some lovely natural supplements, then it ends up just being a bandaid approach. They either become dependent on it for the rest of their life in order to feel okay. But what I see most of the time is you can't outs up the deepest root cause. And this is where really going into the mind as well. So while you're supporting the body from a physical point of view, entering into the mind is huge. So you would know this, Stacey. The mind is only five percent conscious and ninety five percent unconscious. And ninety five percent unconscious is huge. But in the unconscious, you're holding all of the beliefs that you have about yourself. You're holding any past distressing events that you haven't processed, which by the way, we hold a lot of stuff as children because we had limited capacity to be able to deal with any of that. And so over time, we develop these these patterns uh because of the deep beliefs that we have about ourselves so I'll give you an example I think people would understand this through a story so when I was doing when I was healing my own self um and all the health issues that I had I had a lot of weird weird stuff going on that the GPs were just like I think it's just because you're a mom and you're busy it's like Yeah. No, I, I like, I smell a candle and I have like a headache and I want to vomit and I'm like fainting because I get anxious. This isn't normal. This isn't just being a mom. Um, so on my journey, first of all, I, I started looking at nutrition and lifestyle. We'll get to that in a sec. That got me so far. Then I found functional medicine and started lab testing. And that was like a quantum leap with my healing. And I was pretty good for a couple of years, maybe even three or four years, but then COVID, and all my health issues flared up again. And by this time I was a practitioner. I'd been working with other clients as well, and I got frustrated, but I knew that I had a toolkit. I fixed the issues in the past so I'll do it again. But this time my body did not respond to anything physical at all. No diets, no supplements, no like sleep hygiene. My body was just like, no, you still haven't figured out or got to the deepest root of why you are stuck in body burnout again. So for me, it came back to a deep belief that I was weak and incapable, which I created as a little kid when I stood up on a stage and tried to memorize a little talk that I had memorized and I couldn't remember it. So I burst out crying, humiliated. And there are a lot of kind of like similar themes around that as a little kid. And then over the years, I created or collected more evidence around that and over the years I then started developing pet patterns to try and hide the deepest fear that I had about myself so even as a teenager I started getting good grades and I'm like oh okay okay cool maybe I'm just I just have to work really hard and study really hard and get like straight a's all the time and yeah okay cool and then I went into university and I did a phd but all the things that I did did and overdid and overachieved was from a place of fear and really trying to hide from myself the greatest fear that I had about myself, but also definitely hiding it from everyone else. And that was all happening unconsciously. I had no idea until I started looking into this, but it was also made so much sense when I discovered that this was a thing because it's like, oh, I've tried so hard to stop doing and to be able to relax when I go to the beach or when I'm with my kids and be present. So I really struggled to be able to switch off. And that's because I was trying to do it with my conscious mind, which is only five percent of the mind. Underneath that, there were all this other stuff that I had to reprogram and rewire and create new and loving beliefs about myself and clear past distressing events and traumas. By the way, most of mine were like little T traumas. In order for my mind to then have an upgraded system in which I could then live with more presence and with more ease and with more flow and where it was actually safe to be slow and I didn't have to work so hard all the time. Yeah. And, you know, that side of it's often called like it's woo-woo. Like when I started studying the hypnotherapy last year, I did it because it was I just knew how to relate to clients. differently because we're kind of seeing same patterns and relationship breakdown whatever else and you're right a lot of the stuff that we have in our mind is from usually when we're children um very rarely would it be teenagers usually it's earlier but sometimes it's why you're still in the womb as well the things that you're experiencing in that and people like, oh, that's a load of crap, whatever. Well, believe it or don't believe it, but a big believer in that you can have that trauma and when you've got that initial trauma and then you keep stacking stuff on. So yeah, big believer with the mind. I think, as you said, you can get your lab results and your pills and everything like that, but if you don't, work on your mind and you know yourself and yeah as you said it's a band-aid and yeah yeah you're half doing a job I suppose you're half feeling yourself so yeah um yeah definitely yeah I feel like there's so much science around this now that it's just like it's actually not we're yeah and if you think it's moving it's probably not for you yeah well it's it is actually I would say totally a hundred percent is for you because no child leaves their childhood unscathed but they're not ready for it yeah because you gotta be ready for it you can't yeah there must be a willingness to be wrong and a willingness to change in order to be able to enter the deeper work yeah and was it with hypnosis that you did your deeper work is that right it was different types of modalities and like we do use different modalities as well with clients so probably the biggest part for me was transformational coaching um nlp type frameworks I didn't actually do anything Yeah, I didn't actually, I'd never really done hypnotherapy and I'm not a hypnotherapist, but it was probably later on. I don't know if you've heard of the modality TRTP trauma therapy. Yeah, it's not considered hypnosis, but it's sort of in the same realms that you're, it's not talk therapy. You're actually going down into the unconscious and changing things. But I did a lot of the rewiring on my own with the assistance of a coach. But when I discovered my deepest root cause, I was just like wholehearted with changing it. So every morning when I woke up, I had a playlist that I created because that helps to get into the unconscious mind. So the unconscious mind is the body. So you can create so much change unconsciously when you can drop out of your head, out of like the rational logical brain and actually feel it wholeheartedly where you get goosebumps or you start crying in a beautiful way or in a releasing way. Yeah. So I did a lot of visualization, a lot of embodied declaration or affirmations, not kind of like the, just write on the mirror and say, I'm good enough. Like it was like, it was wholehearted, it was deep. And really creating so much safety inside of myself that I was strong and capable. And it was unattached to anything that I had in my life. So, for example, like I choose to know I am a strong and capable and wonderful and beautiful wife. And you know what? Even if Chris woke up the next day and said he wanted a divorce, I still know I'm a flipping awesome wife. so like actually kind of like engaging um yeah the worst the worst case scenario even if my kids grew up in ten years and decided to hate me and never wanted to talk to me again I still know that I am an amazing mother even if my business went bust and I never signed up another client to our ending body burnout method program which I didn't have back then um I still know that I'm a flippin awesome practitioner and if I lost it all I could wholeheartedly hand on heart say like I deeply love and trust myself that's amazing that's that's next level deep that's too yeah I can't say I've ever gone that deep um it's easy it's easy to feel good about yourself when things are when things are good yeah but the the pressure test is when things aren't good do you still stand in your power Yeah, I mean you're going to have your moments as well. Like you're going to have your good days and your bad days, you know, but, yeah, to be that strong and to think, you know, yep, if my kids don't talk to me or if my relationship breaks down, you know, I'm still absolutely amazing and I'm going to come out the other side of that, which really probably goes into the next part. Oh, hang on. Did we do the body or we're up to the environment? Oh, yeah, so the mind. We went on a tangent with the mind, hey. We're still on the mind, yeah. Something's going to be a nice segue into the environment. I'm like, nope. We can switch back to body. That's okay. So the third part in the book is heal thy body. And that's more specific around, okay, so we're starting to support the body systems therapeutically. and you're doing the deeper inner work which is like where the real healing happens and the long-lasting healing happens now let's let's look at your habits like the the three core habits to support the physical body would be sleep nutrition and movement um a lot of people by the time they work with us because we do things very differently in comparison to other naturopaths functional medicine practitioners um they have often already dialed in a lot of those they're already eating healthy most of the time oh maybe a lot of people aren't moving because their capacity isn't great but you know they've tried these things um and then sometimes we'll get clients who are just like I know what I should be doing but I can't do it that's like me doing it and that comes back to the unconscious patterns happening in the mind um So with those three things, we just like to keep it really simple. So again, a lot of the people we work with are those perfectionists, overdoers, got to get everything right. And so when it comes to lifestyle, we actually just like to dial it down. And it's like, you know what? Do the minimum to be the maximum. One percent better every day. Sometimes I look at people's diet, I'm like, you're already eating great. They're like, oh, but sometimes I eat a chocolate. I'm like, cool, great. So do I. Let's not worry about that part. So for nutritionists, just eat whole foods. Eat what the earth provides. And sometimes that needs to change up for people in the healing journey. So that's where lab testing and identifying, especially like gut stuff. For example, if someone had a really bad yeast or candida infection, there would be a short period of time where it is kind of like let's eat really low-carb, cut out all the processed sugars, maybe even fruit and grains because we need to starve yeast and yeast loves to eat sugar. Movement again, especially for people who are in burnout, it's like, you know what, if you're doing like HIIT classes every day, maybe you need to pull it back. Or if you're not doing anything at all, then how can you be one percent better every day? And that's where I just like emphasising walking, Maybe like some gentle swimming and also breaking up your day with mini movements as well can be really powerful. And there's actually a lot of studies that show that if you did two minutes of movement every thirty minutes or one hour during the day, that actually has better long term benefits for your health than if you just went to the gym for one hour a day. And it's achievable to do. So you set yourself reminders. Yeah, set yourself reminders. You're sitting at a desk all day like I usually do. Yeah, a thirty-minute reminder, righto, go annoy a team member and then come back and have a third minute and go annoy somebody else. But, yeah, it's all those little things. And when you said lab as well, so, yeah, I had my labs, like I had blood tests and stuff done a few months ago and they were appalling, like absolutely appalling. This is like GP blood tests. Yeah, so I'm a naturopath. So like my cholesterol was like six or seven and I'm like, but I don't eat. bad like I don't cholesterol to me is like you know kfc and your takeaway and stuff like that but it can also be caused by stress so like when I saw that I'm like holy crap like I'm on my way to like irreversible heart damage like this shit's serious so yeah um definitely you know people say you know get your blood taken you know checked once a year I'm like you don't need to do that unless you know you've feeling a bit off or something but I think there would be a great benefit to um having bloods done maybe reasonably regularly because yeah mom was shocking and I'm like oh my god like no I don't feel like shit sometimes but yeah um yeah and then without having the bloods you can't really heal and fix the underlying issues of of everything else as you said so yeah yeah I like I like lab work as well and like we use different specimens as well like poo wee breath um because we're looking at other body systems that gp's medical specialists don't look at but what I find too is it's great um great for compliance where it's like oh just like how you saw the cholesterol it's like ah okay like I can't pretend that that's not there because it clearly is so what am I gonna do about it so it actually it is a bit of a firecracker up people's butt yes it was like your only way to irreversible heart damage I'm like crap I'm like well actually I'm now like as of yesterday but I'm like oh my god like oh my god like yeah but it made me realize because as I said I associated with like fried foods and stuff I'm like I don't eat that like but you know cholesterol is caused by other things as well like stress so and that's where mine would have come from yeah can I just speak yeah that they're like the what we coined the bad cholesterol too is essentially rises when there's inflammation in the body And so so, yeah, that could be a poor diet or it could be stress or it could be parasites in the gut or it could be heavy metal stuck in your fat tissue. So it's a it's a good marker. But then it's like, oh, OK, inflammation in the body where is that coming from is it coming from my life and my lifestyle or is it coming from my mind or is it coming from potential other imbalances in the body that GPs aren't looking at and yeah or everything just gives you more data to get more specific around what's going on for you yeah yeah absolutely agree with that and um Yep. So the last, now this is a segue back from the mind. So the environment is super important as well. So, and where we see to bring the family law aspect into this and relationships, whether you've got kids or whatever, is that environment can play a massive effect, obviously, on yourself and, you know, how a relationship is going to be. Like, you know, whether it's a happy relationship, whether it's a stressful relationship, whether it's a toxic, narcissistic relationship. So, yeah, can you let us know why the environment is so important to heal the body? And also from a relationship point of view, why it's important? Yeah. for a lot of things, but can you tie it into why it's so important in a relationship aspect and for yourself as part of that healing process? Yeah, yeah. So the environment, again, like in the book and in our practice where I was always looking at the physical and the metaphysical. So the environment has a physical and a metaphysical component. From a physical point of view, just like really simply is do you have toxins like actual physical toxins in your environment like are you living in a really moldy house or are you using skin care or cleaning products that are full of like toxic chemicals that's going to impact your health and it impacts your brain a lot as well but the other part of the environment too is who else is in your environment and how are you interacting with them because as you said before oh stress can cause cholesterol to rise stress is a big factor in a lot of relationships even healthy ones and a little just a little bit um so the reason why I did a chapter around that in the book well it was part of the reason why I got into it now what I do so um after I had both children so we have two kids my health was just getting worse and worse, not better and better. So that's kind of like after you have kids, pretty normal to feel depleted and exhausted. But it was almost like the kids are now sleeping. It's like been a year since my second baby has been born. Why am I feeling worse, not better? And it was having a major impact in my relationship with my husband to the point that we pretty much almost split up. There was definitely some stuff where it reached boiling and tipping point. And at that moment, we had a discussion. Actually, I'll get to that part in a second. At that moment too, I also thought I have to do something I have to get to the bottom of why I'm feeling the way that I'm feeling. Because yes, it was partly him, but it was also me feeling anxious and stressed and overwhelmed. And like my body was always screaming at me. I had chronic pain in my body to the point that sometimes I couldn't get out of bed or like pick up my babies. And so my system was... on a high alert it was in massive fight flight mode which then caused chris to never want to come home so he had a business and he'd get up at five a.m and wouldn't come home until ten p.m um I didn't realize until we had a chat or not a chat a dnm that he's like I want to come home but I feel like when I do I'm walking on eggshells all the time And it's just not nice. And you're screaming all the time. And I felt like I was going to psychologically damage my kids as well. So that momentum forwards to really get serious with getting to the root of what was going on for me was important because I saw it not just to help myself, but also to save our marriage and to create healthy human beings, which are our children. um healthy not just physically but also mentally emotionally yeah and so so that was yeah so that was a big part of my journey and I wanted to talk about that in the book but also one thing that we find that causes a lot of conflict in relationships when we have a client working with us, and usually it starts off as the woman. And then if they're- The woman's the problem, or? No, no, no, no, no. The woman is the one that wants to create change in her life. Initiate something, yep. Yep. And so and so she's like, OK, yeah, I need to put up boundaries. I need to ask for more help. I need to ask my partner to share the load. I need to ask him to put out the bin. So I'm not doing all the things. Oh, and I also want to start eating differently. And so now I need to get the whole family on board. So so that part of of the book around happy family is how can how can you heal yourself? and then step up to be the leader to create change in your family. And that might mean healthy lifestyle changes, but it also might be up leveling and creating healthy changes in your relationship in both parenting and in marriage as well. Yeah. And it takes courage to It would have taken courage for Chris to say, hey, yep, I love you, but I'm struggling to come home to you. Like that's massive courage. And for you to acknowledge that and for you to both willingly want to be better parents and be better in your relationships, A lot of people probably don't have that conversation. That's why they end and, you know, they don't have that courage or they try to have those conversations and they're just continually shot down again. And I suppose that's we need to reevaluate, well, you know, where is this at? You know, am I doing this on my own? Do we need to separate for a little while? Do we whatever it is? um you know that that can be difficult so having that conversation and congratulations like you're obviously very happily married still so but um it takes a lot of car and like knowledge that that stuff's out there as well and it's not normal to you know feel certain things after pregnancy like yes you're tired and if it's your first one it's overwhelming and all of that but as you said it was kind of twelve months two years on and your kids were were pretty good kids like pretty good babies there's something else that's happening so acknowledging that is really difficult and a really massive step um to to healing I suppose yeah yeah yeah for sure Um, so there are heaps of other questions, but I'm conscious on time. So I suppose with the book, you're obviously very, very passionate about it. Um, when you were doing it, what was the big vision for this book? The big vision, like we work on an individual level, but the vision is, is bigger than that. So when, when one person heals, especially if you have a family. So I'll use the mother. If one mother heals, then the family heals. And if the family heals, the community heals. And if the community heals, then like the country heals. And it's just like this beautiful ripple effect where the work that we do with our individual clients and for, I mean, there's been lots of feedback to around the book that it's like, oh my gosh, that part was just the part that I needed that was the missing piece. And now I feel so much better. And it's like, they haven't even worked with us, but being able to create and put all my knowledge into one part that can help people either like heal from just reading the book and applying or giving them more awareness around these can be some missing pieces. A big thing, a big narrative too that we hear in the health space, like the chronic health space, is I've tried all the things and I'm still stuck. So maybe I can't, maybe I'm the broken one. Maybe I'm the one that is like never going to heal. And I totally, a hundred percent, hand on heart believe that if you weren't born with the issue, you can heal from it. I've also heard some stories about people being born with issues and healing from it as well. Yeah, but you've got to be willing to work on it. If you're unwilling, it's probably highly likely it's not going to be as effective, if at all. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So the book was also like just a book of hope. that it's you know what you probably have a book of hope you have tried a lot of things um but here's some missing pieces and that's why we use a very holistic approach it's not just one thing it's like multiple things because we're a dynamic human being and we need both the physical and the metaphysical you can't separate the two yeah so maybe this should be the starting point not the the last straw for people Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. It'd be great if it was preventative, which essentially functional medicine is it's in the natural therapies, but it's using evidence based lab testing. It was originally created in America. I don't even know what year, probably like the seventies or eighties. And essentially it was preventative medicine. It's like you come to us before you go to the GP and you find out that you've got X, Y and Z. because if we can do a car service and look under the hood before you have symptoms, then we can recorrect it really fast. Yeah, and you're not suffering for months or years. And it might not be as severe either, trying to deal with that early on in a piece. So I definitely think this needs to be a first step step, not a last step. Now, how can people get their hands on your book and how can people work with you? Awesome. So we do have our book on our website, www.chrisandphilly.fm book, but you can also get it from Amazon. It's in some bookstores. If it's not in your local line, you can get it ordered in. And so that's the book and the way that we work with people or the best way that you can work with us would be inside our ending body burnout method program, which is a six month holistic healing container that looks at the body systems, supporting those body systems physically, but also at the same time, because we can't separate the two really working on the deeper root causes. So it doesn't end up just being a natural bandaid. It is actually a healing, um, there's a healing result that is long lasting. And you can check out that on our website too, slash method. Yeah, we'll have links and stuff below as well so people can check you out. So what would you like to finish on? Is there a tip or just one last message that you want to mention before we wrap up today? Yeah, if there's anyone who has been listening who was ticking off all the symptoms that I mentioned or some of them earlier and you're like, ah... Yes, this is me, but like, I'm scared or I don't know where to start. Like I would, I would say, start with listening to your body and not, not pretending or gaslighting yourself. So the body is your compass, these symptoms and the symptoms can be mental and emotional as well, or maybe pain in a relationship or in your finances or business, these symptoms can and not there to annoy you. And they're not fighting against you. They're actually fighting for you. Yeah. So when you can slow down and actually listen and just ask the question, what for? You have all the answers inside of you. So we believe that ninety five percent of what you need to heal is already inside of you. And you have your own intuition to know what you need in order to be able to unravel the mess of body burnout and return back to who you already are. Yeah. And you've got your podcast as well that people can listen to if, you know, they're not quite ready or, you know, there might be some financial constraints. People can listen to your podcast as well, which may also help them. So thank you so much, Philly. I can definitely see us doing another one because, like, I still have, like, four pages worth of questions. But thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you. It was lovely chatting. Thanks, Philly.
