Today I am breaking down the treatment that I've had for cancer with breaking it down into the specific treatment that I had. And it'll take a couple of episodes to do that because I get asked a lot what I had, what side effects I had, what expected side effects I was to have. And I know there are a lot of people out there seeking other alternatives for to treatment than what would be deemed the typical western medicine path now i'm not saying this is what you need to do the path i chose it was incredibly overwhelming at the time of my diagnosis and i started treatment literally the week of christmas like that was my first week and because everything was so overwhelming i simply relied on the information that i was told And I didn't have any capacity. I didn't question what was suggested to me because I was so overwhelmed. I was starting to get unwell. I think they try to have treatment starting within, I think it's, sixty days from diagnosis. It was really important that they wanted me to start it before Christmas. I felt things were just moved for me and people bent over backwards to make sure that I had the treatment. So, yeah. I don't know if I was to relive this situation, which I'm hoping I never will be reliving this situation again and whether I'd go down this route again. I'm very mindful with the words I tell myself. I don't call it my cancer. I call it the cancer. I was just mindful then in that cancer will never occur in my body ever again. So I'm doing all those things as well. But What I can give you is what I went through and the treatment that I had and the effects, if any, that I had. I keep getting told I had a really aggressive treatment plan and I keep playing that down because I feel I just was not as unwell as I had anticipated and there are a few things that I discussed that I think had also made the difference at the start. So what I'm going to do today is break down the chemotherapy that I had and I have my information sheets here so I don't forget anything. So if I keep not looking at the camera it's just me looking at what the potential side effects were. So when you are diagnosed, I mean, it's information overload, but you also get a pile of brochures. I think I pretty well took all the brochures back to the hospital, but you get leaflets. It's incredibly overwhelming. The one thing that I would do again is I would definitely start recording my meetings because I even had a meeting the other week and I don't even know whether my brain heard what was discussed in that correctly. That was when I had the thyroid and the secondary cancer discussion. I don't recall any of it. So... play my suggestion would be that you record it just on your phone um if you have let the voice transcribe a voice memos whatever it's called on apple phone that can transcribe it for you as well but that would be my recommendation and that's what i've started doing the past few weeks so I had two oncologists. I had one for the chemo immunotherapy side and I had one for the radiation side. Today I'm just discussing the chemotherapy side and I'll do a separate podcast for the immuno and for the brachy and for the external beam radiation. So there might be like four in total. So the... Chemo that I had was called cisplatin. I keep calling it cisplastin, but it's cisplatin. And I had five rounds of that. I wrote, it's about kind of like three litres per worth so I made the mistake of like it's a long bloody day so it's not just like the three litres that they're pumping into you have flushes you have to wait for drugs to sometimes arrive you have to like Where I was, they treated, like, up to six people a day, so a chemo day. And I had external beam radiation on the same day as well and immunotherapy as well. So it made for, like, a very, very long day. My first week of chemo, I made the mistake of not elevating my legs. So I had my legs, like, so I was sitting in the chair with my legs down and I never did that ever again. So as I said, like they're pumping like three to four litres of stuff into you. And you can imagine when you're sitting down, that's all going to go down towards your feet. So I had incredibly restless legs that were very uncomfortable. It was getting painful. There was swelling everywhere. I don't think I slept that night from memory because of the legs. So I made sure that I elevated my legs going forward. So I'd sit back in my chair and always make sure that my legs were as high as they could possibly go and I didn't have that issue again. I also made sure that I... your mixture between like hot and cold, it's weird. So they have heated blankets that they can put on you as well. But so I would wear Crocs and socks. So I didn't care what I look like. I was also getting treatment in summer. So hot outside but it was usually quite cold in the room that you got treatment. So I would put socks on and I'd put my Crocs on and as soon as I'd sit in the chair, I would take my Crocs off. That was just the easiest shoe that I had. If you had thongs or whatever, you know, you can do that too. I just found it was easy. I am also one that generally kicks a foot out. So I would usually lose a sock and I would have a sock on one foot and the blanket on the other foot and I'd be kicking a foot out that had no sock on it and that was not under the blanket as a way of just regulating my temperature. Now, I have done that for years. So this wasn't just a chemo thing, but I found it useful while I was getting treatment as well. So because you were literally pretty well at the hospital all day, so where I was at, they used to walk around at lunchtime and give you sandwiches. It's white bread with carcinogenic meat. Take that however you want, but that's what used to come around. So at the time, I just ate whatever I could eat. Now I'm getting to the point where I think diet does play a large part, despite being told that it doesn't. So my diet is getting cleaned up now. But it was a very carb-based because I would just eat whatever it was that I could eat. So please don't feel bad. My intention was to eat brilliantly. While I was doing treatment, the reality kicked in of I'm just going to eat whatever I can keep down and whatever I can stomach. So... Yeah, so don't get too hard on yourself if you can't do that. But, yeah, they came around at lunchtime with sandwiches. The sandwiches actually tasted pretty good. Like I was actually pretty excited when the lady brought the sandwiches around. And there would be tea and coffee in the kitchen and just like Jats crackers or other crackers. Um, no, probably not the healthiest, but again, it was just dry food that was easy to eat. You know, when you're feeling unwell, uh, for me, it was always going to get like arrowroot, like Arnett's arrowroot biscuits and like you would eat them. So that's probably why the crackers were there. We also took our own food. So, um, I made sure that I had... You don't know what you feel like. It kind of related to being pregnant. I know that there was just sometimes I couldn't eat the same food twice. Sometimes I would look at a food and, like, not be able to eat it. So I used to pack food on top of the sandwiches that they would give you. I used to pack water. and just take it all in a cooler bag sometimes i'll eat it sometimes i wouldn't so um i found that very helpful as well and we also i mean there were people in there with like red bulls and energy drinks as well so just each to their own i just stuck with water and hydrolite actually those hydrolites that i used to take as well sometimes the water just wasn't watering enough um Chemo brain has just kicked in. Oh, so the, I've got to stop saying that. Chemo brain is also real. I don't know whether that was on my sheet or not, but it's kind of like baby brain, but I feel like it's worse. So because we were there all day, we also downloaded stuff on our phones. So I would have like Netflix or Prime or Disney or whatever. The reception in the room was quite poor. You'd always fight to get to the windows because the reception was a little bit easier. But we would download a number of things. Again, sometimes you'd want to watch things, sometimes you wouldn't. So we'd download documentaries or movies and we'd take out pods, making sure everything was charged, and we would watch that. So it might be... You know, I say my flight to Brisbane is like half a movie. So on a chemo day, we might have been getting through like two movies, three movies type thing. So that's how long you're sitting in a chair for. You can get up to walk around a little bit, but you're not allowed to leave the room. So there's not even, it's not like we, I didn't, if I, I would love to have like sat outside or even like look out a window, but it was just a concrete room with, multiple walls, you are surrounded by people that look incredibly unwell. It's not a pleasant experience. Fluoro lights, like it's not fun. So, yeah, I didn't have that pleasure. But, yeah, unfortunately because, you know, effectively they are pumping poison into you, you're not allowed to leave the room. Or at least I wasn't. I'm going to assume that's pretty standard. So there was something else I was going to say on top of that. But that was probably, yeah, chemo room. Yeah, that might have been kind of like all I had with it. But, yeah, it's not a very nice room to be sitting in. And what I do say is when I did walk in, there were people that we knew and If you run into somebody, even when you're getting your tests done or your scans or treatment or whatever, I kind of feel like there's an unspoken rule where you don't tell anybody who you saw. So some people don't like other people knowing. I've been very... open with, like, sharing my story because I really don't think I had to get to this stage and I want to prevent this happening to other people and make sure you get your checks and everything like that. There are some people that don't want to share. So I know when we went into the room or even with tests and there was people that didn't We knew it was very much, you know, we still went and spoke to them and whatever else, but it was not our story to share that, hey, guess who? Like I was getting chemo next to you today. So I'd just be very mindful that you keep things confidential because it's not your story to share if you did run into somebody getting treatments. So with treatment as well, you have to get bloods. So I was getting bloods weekly. So I've gone from not liking needles and avoiding them to being poked and prodded and jabbed so many different times. So you have to get bloods to determine whether you're well enough for treatment. So I'm not saying your bloods are perfect. All your bloods have to be is good enough for treatment. So that's probably another episode in itself. And the chemo, so I... It took me towards the end to, like, even put this together. So the worst part for me ended up not being the needle itself. It was taking all the stuff out. So they put the cannula in and then they obviously, like, put the bandages and not bandage but the big-ass band-aid thing. I don't know. I can't even think of what it's called. But the stuff to make sure the cannula doesn't come out. Taking that off at the end was actually what hurt the most. So towards the end I started shaving my arms and I would shave all of my arms because you just don't know where they're going to stick it in. And it made it so much easier for them to take, like, all the stuff off. So shaving arms, big fan of. They will shove the cannula in wherever they can get a vein. So most of mine... I don't think it went up here. It was either from the elbow down to the wrist on both hands. Sometimes it was at the front. Sometimes it was at the back. My veins also... um used to play hide and go seek well they still do so they would it was amazing so they said they would feel the vein they would go they'll clean it with the alcohol white they'll go towards the vein with the needle and they will literally feel or see my vein move to the side i was like yep not getting jabbed today and it happened the the other week when i was getting my my pet scan as well he's like your vein just literally moved when it saw the needle i'm like yep that's what happens now. So I had to have the ultrasound machine a lot. And I, when I get needles now, so for the pet scan the other day, I kept getting poached and jabbed because they wouldn't go get it. So, but it was like third go or something. They ended up getting it, but they knew that when I was in, they had to get the ultrasound to make sure that the needle was going into a vein. I, Even if the needle is in, it doesn't mean that it's actually in. So most people don't like the taste of the flush that goes in. So they'll say that the needle is in, like you can relax. I don't relax until I can taste it. If I don't taste it, I know that they're not in and I tell them, look, you think you're in but you're not because I can't taste the flush. So for me, the taste of the flush just confirmed that, yep, okay, we are now in. That was when I could then relax. So as I said, I'm probably the only person. Actually, I know. that I'm nearly the only person that I think has said I like the taste of flush because I know that the needle is where it needs to be and, you know, like they put all the packing on so the cannula doesn't come out and then they proceed to, you know, drug you up. So, yeah, they were probably my little quirks. I didn't look at the needle either. I would look away. Sometimes I would just squeeze someone's hand or, yeah, Yeah, have like a ball as well. Yeah, but... Another thing I was going to mention before that I forgot about, the room is quite bright, so it just fluors everywhere. I started taking an eye mask as well. I didn't really sleep at all. Because it was summer as well, I was very sensitive to heat. I used to take a fan in. So I had a fan that attached to my phone, another fan that had a charger as well. So I had both a charger normal hand fan as well so I had that in my bag um I used to take like an old school bag as well and that used to be filled with like spares that are closed just in case um dry food that I didn't have to keep taking out um lifesavers used to put lifesavers or mints in there um just have something in my mouth uh vomit bags were in there all my drugs um I used to have them in just like another bag. I used to take in and out all the time. So I had like anti-nausea medication. I had like gastrostop. I had Melanta. I had, oh, Panadol, Nurofen, like just whatever the drugs that they gave me, I would put in there because you just don't know how long you're going to be, I suppose. Yeah. So that's probably the admin side that I can think of. Now, as I said, it's an all-day event. So the paperwork here says about three to four hours. It is usually more than that because, as I said, by the time that you get there, they ask you a whole pile of questions that you have to answer. They check your bloods to make sure that your bloods are okay. They have to make sure that your drugs are there. You have to, you know, put the cannula in. So there might be like forty five minutes of just like admin type stuff before they even start to put a needle in. And then if you had radiation on top of that, that is longer. And if you have immunotherapy, it's longer again. So it was literally like really, really long ass day. So the emergency side of things where you need to be heading to emergency, thankfully I didn't have to. There were a couple of moments I thought, oh, what way am I swinging? But I didn't have to make it to emergency. I was very lucky that I didn't vomit either. So... I'll probably bring that up a little bit later. But temperature of thirty-eight or higher, chills, sweats, shivers or shakes, shortness of breath, uncontrolled vomiting or diarrhoea, pain, tingling or discomfort in chest or arms or like you're like really, really unwell. Or if you've had a reaction where you had treatment. So leaking, pain, stinging, swelling, redness. rash, wheezing, shivers, feeling dizzy, things like that. So what I'll say with the vomiting is I'm not the best person to be sick. I'm not the best person when it comes to vomiting either. So at the start I said if I get nauseous, For me, that is game over, and I'm going to really, really struggle to come back from that. So I chowed down on anti-nausea meds for probably around three months and actually found it really difficult to come off them. So whether I overdid it, I don't know. They all knew I was doing it. I was on Zofran and Maxamon, and there were some other ones thrown into the mix that give you – drugs on so um i had a steroid as well that i had on a chemo day that i used to have to take for a few days afterwards that was dex and they give you a long-lasting anti-nausea um tablet as well i don't know what that was called last like three days so i was taking all the stuff that they were giving you plus i was still popping free pills or wafers um a day and There weren't many times I didn't feel well. I can't say I felt well, but I did not inform it at all. I was not, you know, not very often would I feel so nauseous that I thought I was going to have to, you know, vomit, I think I controlled that very well. So if vomiting is something that you're, like, concerned with or feeling nauseous and you're going to be struggling to come back from that, communicate that with your doctor. As I said, I took, it was, they kind of used to have fights with each other between, like, Maxilon and Zofran. So as long as you're open with what you are taking, especially from a radiation perspective and a chemo and immuno perspective because they all have different opinions. yes i really do think that if i wasn't on the anti-nausea meds it might have been a different story but i did struggle coming off them and i think that was more mental than anything um So and then you are in a room of people who can be like really unwell. So just because you're not unwell doesn't mean people in the room are not unwell. So I wouldn't be taking kids in there. If someone doesn't handle going to hospitals or doctors, they're probably not the best support person for you either. There were a lot of people in there that sat in there on their own, which I kind of felt really bad. sad for um if you can have somebody in there with you to help you i think and keep you company i think that would make um a big difference as well but it's not every property either so So the side effects of the chemo, the cisplastin that I was on, like there is heaps. There is like seven pages worth of like side effects on here. And I suppose for you, you have to work out whether you're prepared to have those side effects or whether you're going to go down a different route that might not involve chemo. So I'll go through what they are and let you know what I had. So the nausea and vomiting, as I said, there was definitely nausea, but there wasn't vomiting. I know there were some times I walked into radiation and said, I don't know whether I'm going to piss myself, shit myself, vomit or do all three. There was a time where I was nearly, like, turning around to drive back home because I just didn't know what way I was going to go. So there was definitely nausea in there. There were a few moments of, like, crap, I think I need to go to hospital. Like, what's happening? And... I didn't have to. Like it kind of passed within fifteen minutes. But nausea and vomiting, Ken, that's like top of the list. I think these are in order of most common as well. Taste and smell changes. So I don't think I had anything with smell but taste. I had a little bit of dry mouth but it wasn't too bad. I think you have like toothpaste and stuff for that. But it did go very metallic-y. and tasted, things just tasted weird. So I said I don't recall smell but, yeah, taste was a little bit off and I did get a bit metallic-y and then sometimes I couldn't taste at all. That's all now gone. So... My last lot of chemo was end of January and we're in first of September. So first day of spring today. Infections, I don't remember getting any of that. So what are they saying for that? Uncontrolled diarrhea, shortness of breath, fast heartbeat. Yeah, my temp got a little bit high here and there and I did break out in a rush here and there but nothing to the point where I had to go to hospital for. So please make sure you have a thermometer at home. I think the hospital actually gave me one too in like my little pack that I got. um they're very big on like mouth ulcers as well so mouth ulcers are something that i get a lot of touch wood um i didn't get um any there which was really good but i think that doesn't worry about the infection because your neutrophils and your white blood cells that fight can you know get reduced so uh low platelets was another one um So you're at risk of bleeding and bruising. Bruising was something I definitely had. I definitely had like... Yeah, bruises, like up here. And when they're trying to find a vein to jab, sometimes they've got to go through a bruise. So that's a little bit unpleasant. There was, I keep calling it hemorrhoid cream. There was a cream that was really good for bruising, which they only told me about towards the end, if I can remember. I do have it somewhere. Must look, must sound something similar to hemorrhoid cream, but it's not. I found that cream really, really good and it really did reduce the bruising. So yeah, if I remember after this, I will try and go to find it. Diarrhea. So because I was also having immuno and I was having radiation, side effects or get mixed in together and you'll find that radiation will blame chemo and chemo will blame like radiation so everyone like blames itself so uh diarrhea i had um a little bit i didn't have to take gastro stop too much so that's why i always carried it with me um i think because of the radiation it was kind of you know, one blocks you, one doesn't block you. So the radiation kind of blocks you up. The KMSI kind of unblocks you. So there was kind of like a middle ground of that. So, but then it's also where the electrolytes were coming in as well. It was just like a hydrolite that I was having. So diarrhea, bloating, cramping and pain. So didn't really have that either. As I said, there weren't too many times I had to take gastro stop. Mouth pain and soreness, that's what I'm talking about. Either your tongue or having the ulcers or having trouble swallowing and eating. I didn't have any of that. Tiredness and lack of energy or fatigue, yes, I'm still having that. Yesterday was a pretty bad day where I just mentally couldn't do anything. So tiredness and lack of fatigue, they call it chemo brain as well, which I think is worse than baby brain, but I'm even trying to tell myself I don't have that now because I'm very mindful of the words that I tell myself. But that fatigue, like I'm a lawyer and there's no way I'm still struggling to even remotely try to lawyer at the moment. Like it's just ridiculous and it's not the type of fatigue where you can keep pushing on. It's a different type of fatigue altogether, as I said, and I'm still having it now. So that's, yes, definitely something that I have had. I took naps where... where i could as well um and kind of just reduce me driving and then stuff uh nerve damage so um pins and needles yes i'm told that's more of a immuno thing but it is down here for the chemo as well um i actually feel like i'm getting more pins and needles now um what's that a side effect of who knows um but pins and needles yes i didn't have any numbness or loss of feeling or pain um i got pretty lucky with all of that um low blood magnesium and potassium my blood's So muscle cramps, which is something I get all the time as well. Thankfully, I didn't get that. Constipation, irregular heart rate, beat. I didn't really have any of that either, so that was lucky. I didn't have any kidney damage, but that is also a side effect. Hearing changes, my hearing was affected. I did kind of have like ringing in my ears and felt like there was, you know, you got water in there or you went to a concert and your ears feel funny afterwards. So hearing changes I did have. I think that's all fine again. Anemia, I was anemic. my red blood cells did take a hit and it was discussed that I'm probably nearing blood transfusions, but I said no because I was confident I was going to come out of it and I did. Hair thinning, so my hair is certainly not what it was and that is blamed on both chemo and immuno. I don't think radiation... I can take the hit for that. So my hair has definitely thinned. It is a thing that it wasn't meant to be a side effect and I didn't care about my hair at the time. Then it started to happen and then I started to get really upset. So how my hair looks at the moment does... Affect me makes me really upset. I don't know it shouldn't but it does So yeah hair thinning Definitely happened chemo brain. Here you go. It's actually on here Where you are unable to concentrate feel unusually disorganized or tired or have trouble with your memory. I still have that so Yes Yeah, so that's the thing What else is on here? Blood clot risk as well. Thankfully, I didn't have any of those issues. Medications and vaccinations and any supplements you are on. So the supplements that I was on, I had to come off them for the brachy only, and I could go back on them at the end. But if you are taking any supplements, I have a herbalist now as well. So my herbalist was speaking and still is speaking to my chemo and immuno-oncologist. um dental treatment i know i remember them asking me was i about to have any dental treatment um which i wasn't so if you're needing to have dental treatment i know that that was a big thing uh diet so um avoid um alcohol and smoking or vaping. So I didn't do any of those things. Very rarely would I have a drink now. So, yeah, Yeah, so I probably wouldn't mix alcohol or smoking or vaping with it, but you walk out of the hospital and then you see the people who were just getting treatment outside smoking or vaping. So each to their own, that was something I didn't do. So how that affects you, I don't know. I can only speculate. But as I said, like with diet, yeah, just eat what you can eat. I'm now only starting to get more strict with my food and what I put into my body. So, yeah, that kind of went all out the window. um and then talk about like i'm having like a sex life so it could affect that risk of developing a second cancer so some anti-cancer treatments can increase your chance of developing a second cancer um this is where what my mind picked up on the other day that's why i said record your conversations um funnily enough this uh actually just says this is rare whereas in my head um I have it that it's quite high that you can receive a secondary cancer, but it literally says this is rare. So that's the part I need to stick to. Your mind will stick to developing a second cancer though. so very important with how you what words you use so um the smoking thing staying active i definitely have not been active i definitely was not active during treatment either that is something that i need to get much better with um just starting slowly and um yeah building it up from there so keep going back to that this is rare need to focus on that. There's a pile of services available as well. I didn't reach out to any of them. Canteen is meant to be really good if you have kids. I didn't reach out to them either. We had an option of a social worker, which we said no to. So I definitely think if you have your people, that is good. It will also show you who your people are. It's amazing how many people yeah, who will show up for you and who won't. So and even supporting people. So I had food sent to me. I had food made for me. I had people come and pick up my daughter to take her to basketball. I think as a person for somebody going through this is really important as well. You know, it's hard for us to go through it as a cancer patient, but When we don't know what we want, I think it's hard for somebody who is trying to support us and knowing how to support us as well. So that support person, yeah, needs just as much care as the person going through cancer, I think. Chemotherapy safety at home was another one that we got. So I, because nausea. was something that was you know a side effect i was waiting to get i suppose um we were told to have a bucket and put a garbage bag in it and which is what we did so there would be a bucket beside the um toilet i used to when i went to bed i used to move it beside the bed so and sometimes it followed me around the house but the bucket had a bag in it um I think that was to make it easy to clean, which makes sense. I'd never done that before until they told me to do that. Sharing the same bathroom and toilet was like a big issue. So thankfully we had separate toilets and bathrooms, but yeah, I know that was meant to be something really bad, especially if you were unwell and like vomiting, sharing spaces. So I just remember like bodily fluids is what they've got. So including like saliva and spit. So we made sure we didn't, you know, sometimes you'd be trying foods of like different people's plates or forks. We made sure we did none of that. So there was no sharing food. There was no sharing drink bottles. There was no sharing toilets, sharing bathrooms. We were very lucky that we could do that. Chemotherapy stays in the body fluids for about forty-eight hours. Sometimes it can be up to seven days. So, yeah, because it's not good for people to get it on them, obviously. Yeah, so it damages or kills cancer cells. It can also damage normal healthy cells. I didn't have a pump or a port or anything like that, so I can't advise on any of that. I didn't take chemo tablets either, so I can't advise on that. But this is just like going to the toilet, disposing of things, managing vomiting. Cleaning up bodily fluids, towels and bedding, sex. I think that's the last thing you feel like doing when you're going through this. But anyway, each to their own. What else was there? There's obviously different types of chemo as well. So I'm just, I can only advise on what I had, which was the cisplatin. I think there's probably really anything else. Exercise, side effects, which we already discussed. Hair, my poor hair. There's like breastfeeding in here, which it says not to do, but I'm not advising on that because that wasn't relevant to me. Okay. I know there was a pregnant person getting treatment when I was in there. That was a little bit confronting. And then walking in and seeing really young people as well, we found a little bit difficult. But, yeah, and then medicine and stuff, yeah. So, yeah, I don't think there's much. Oh, food. Be very careful with food. So I wasn't touching sushi. I'd make sure I wouldn't drink tap water. I was just a bit more mindful of where... And how long food was there? Because I was obviously a lot more sensitive than what I would usually be like, you know. So I'd have milk a day or two past its use by date. I wouldn't do that when I was on chemo, for example. Or, you know, I'd throw chicken out probably earlier than what I otherwise would. So just playing it safe. And then I think that one is just... Yeah, the same again. So I think that's all I have to say in relation to the chemo side. If there's anything I haven't touched on, please just let me know. I'm more than happy to share it. But that was my experience with the cisplatin. As I said, I keep downplaying how aggressive my treatment was, but I honestly think at the end of the day I fared quite well through it. And, yeah, I don't regret getting it done, having the cisplatin at all. And, you know, it's something that I would never have to do ever again because I would never get cancer ever again. So, yeah, so as I said, if there's any other questions, please do reach out. I hope that's been in-depth enough to just go through the experience I had with the cisplatin. And as I said, in the next few weeks I'll go through the other treatment that I had as well and just be completely honest because I found it really difficult to get treatment information specific for the drugs i was taken and in particular the cancer i had which was stage three c one cervical cancer and this is based in australia as well so um you know even within australia There are different approaches, but this is what I had in New South Wales. Sorry, Newcastle to be more specific. So yeah, please share this with your network in case there is somebody else going through this. You know, I really want to be as transparent in my journey as I possibly can. And yeah, I do hope this helps. So please enjoy the rest of your day. And yeah, I'll catch you next episode. Thanks for tuning in. Bye. All right, thanks, Jim.
